This week we chat with German National Team coach and player Caroline Tisson. Co-hosted by Tulsa Douglas and Luisa Neves.
In this episode Carli tells us about how she started playing ultimate in a mostly mixed setting, and how important it was for her to play on an all-girls team for the first time. She talks about her time playing for the German national team, and her eventual transition into coaching. She details her growth as a coach, and how her experience coaching has changed over the years as she has gotten more years under her belt. She discusses key parts of her coaching philosophy, and how her coaching style changes depending on the level of team that she is working with. Finally, she mentions her current education, and explains how her studies are interconnected with her coaching growth.
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[00:00:00] Tulsa: Welcome back to another episode of Share the Air. We have some exciting news and also some maybe not so exciting news for you all. The not so exciting news is that we're going to take a break after this episode. So we're just going to take a week off and give ourselves a little bit of time to catch up on stuff. The great news is that we have a raffle.
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[00:02:03] Luisa: Again, thanks to our sponsor, VC Ultimate for providing these really sweet Share the Air jerseys. And now we'll get into our episode with Carli.
[00:02:11] Luisa: Today we're joined by Carli Tisson. Carli grew up in Osnabrueck and started playing ultimate in high school. She currently lives in Cologne, Germany, where she captains and coaches the women's club team U de Cologne. She has represented Germany on multiple national teams, including six youth national teams, as well as the 2016 and 2020 women's national teams. She is also on the extended roster for the German national team competing at the World Games this summer. In addition to playing, carli has coached the U 17 team and now coaches the U 20 girls German national teams.
[00:03:00] Luisa: She's currently in a graduate program studying international sport development and politics at the German Sport University Cologne and works as a student researcher. Carli, welcome to Share the Air.
[00:03:12] Caroline Tisson: Hi, I wasn't supposed to answer to that.
[00:03:16] Luisa: Yeah, I, we should.
[00:03:17] Luisa: say something. We always like just kind of leave it and people just say whatever, but that, no, that's great. That's great.
[00:03:22] Tulsa: Okay. So we usually start with asking where and how you first got into ultimate.
[00:03:28] Caroline Tisson: Yeah, so it was at my high school where I joined the student club. It was just the idea of trying it and very fast, I was all into it. And I had so much fun with this team. It was a school club where all the ages were mixed. We had from sixth grade up to grade 13. Everyone was just playing together was a very supportive environment and coming from an individual sport, it was the right thing I needed at this point. Just a cool community and showing some sport outdoors.
[00:04:05] Tulsa: What was the individual sport you did?
[00:04:07] Caroline Tisson: I did fencing. I started in, in primary school and very fast, got in this elite program and we had like four or five trainings a week and individual training and tournaments. And so I was very involved with it, but at some point I felt that the team sport would better fit me.
[00:04:29] Luisa: So did you, you had sort of stepped away from fencing by the time you picked up ultimate.
[00:04:35] Caroline Tisson: Not really. I did both sports parallel for quite some time and one or two years. But at the time I was first selected for the Junior National Team in 2010, I noticed that it could not go on forever like this. I have to commit for some sport. And at this time also my group that I began with fencing, my, my sister and some of my best friends, some moved away, some decided to do other sports and it just fell apart.
[00:05:08] Caroline Tisson: And so this aspect of doing sports with your friends, it was missing more and more. So it was an easy switch at some point where it just felt more as a part of something in this team sport, ultimate.
[00:05:22] Luisa: In this high school club, did you just play against the other people in your club? Like just pick up games or did you actually compete against other high school clubs?
[00:05:33] Caroline Tisson: It's not really organized in a way that you have big competition. So there might be a school like this school in Hamburg. They would always have this school championships, which is basically come and join. You don't even need to be in an official club. So we would go to two or three tournaments a year with this school club.
[00:05:55] Caroline Tisson: But the weekly training was just with us and there's no other school in my hometown that would play ultimate frisbee. So. We would just train for ourselves and then go to these weekend long tournaments every once in a while.
[00:06:12] Tulsa: So then from, from that club team, how did you find out and get into the tryouts for the youth national team and then make that team? How did that all begin?
[00:06:21] Caroline Tisson: So at some point the club team in Osnabrueck, they asked me to pick up for them because you might know, it's always hard to find women to compete. And in many of these tournaments that they played, they had these soft mixed rules where you had to have one or two women on the line. So if you were a girl playing ultimate it was very likely that they, at some point, would ask you if you want to join them because they had not enough women for the weekend, but lucky me.
[00:06:52] Caroline Tisson: So I could join the club team very early. And that was where I met some people that noticed there's another girl playing ultimate. And at that time they had a project, and they had the idea of going to different tournaments and giving girls the opportunity to play.
[00:07:10] Caroline Tisson: So it was an all girls team and they just played in a mixed division or an open division what ever was available. So at some tournaments I was able to play with them and they also had connections to this junior national program. They kind of were the junior national program because at the time I was playing, there were not too many girls my age playing here.
[00:07:34] Caroline Tisson: So at some point someone asked if I want to join. I joined them, and then I also got to know people who knew when the next tryout will be and where it will be, and the next event. I didn't even know at this point that the was the national team
[00:07:49] Tulsa: You were 16 or something.
[00:07:52] Tulsa: Yeah.
[00:07:52] Caroline Tisson: Around 16.
[00:07:54] Tulsa: I'm really curious about that team. Was it like when you first played? So you were playing in mixed and open tournaments, but as an, as an all girls team. So what was that like when you first joined and then playing in those tournaments?
[00:08:06] Caroline Tisson: First of all, it was very exciting to play with an only girls team, because they were like you and not this men 10 year old, older than you are. Uh, But it wasn't weird competing in an open or mixed division because that's what we were used to. So I think it's funny that we were, we were just thinking it was normal playing against older men, younger men, women, whatever was there. It was just a very, but it was always a welcoming atmosphere. It was never like, oh, these girls or all these old men, it was it's it's a community sport here. So you meet on the field, you meet afterwards, you meet in between, you know, every phase around your city playing ulimate, and it was a lot of fun. I don't remember specifically how it felt. It was just another opportunity to play. And it was, I was just happy to, to be given this opportunity to play a bit more.
[00:09:08] Luisa: Did you have a coach on that team?
[00:09:11] Caroline Tisson: We had a person who was organizing it. He's still very active in, in Germany and in Europe. And it was not, I don't remember it as a coaching. It was more being there, giving some hints on a sideline on what we could try and cheering a lot. It was not really like a coaching, it was very informal and I can even remember that. I went to a tournament with my team and they were also there. So I would just play on the team that was on the field at the moment.
[00:09:40] Luisa: Well,
[00:09:40] Tulsa: You would play for both.
[00:09:42] Caroline Tisson: It's, it's also very common thing in Germany that when you go to a fun tournament, so it's not by the Federation, it's just a team inviting other teams to come.
[00:09:54] Caroline Tisson: And especially if it's loose, mixed, or mixed, it's very common as a woman that you play on multiple teams because the others have not enough women. So yeah. Good old times.
[00:10:06] Luisa: That's so
[00:10:07] Tulsa: If you love to play a lot.
[00:10:09] Caroline Tisson: Yeah.
[00:10:11] Luisa: It's like, oh, we take our fun tournaments too seriously. You're only allowed to roster with one team. That's so cool.
[00:10:18] Caroline Tisson: Yeah. I love this part of the ultimate community as well. It's very informal and that makes it very accessible and allows persons and teams to get very creative and how they want to shape a tournament or how they want to shape the community.
[00:10:34] Luisa: And you get to you just get to meet more people. I mean, New York city has a lot of mixed teams and I think I've encountered people who like, kind of, they play once with a mixed team and then feel like, oh, they have to, they have to play with that team. And they it's like a little bit of like instant loyalty that they, that they sort of feel. But that's, that's a cool system that you kind of can very flexibly try out all different groups of people and stuff. That's that's awesome.
[00:11:04] Caroline Tisson: It's very fluid. In Europe, you are even very flexible at more elite levels where you want to play. Everything is close by and the personal connections that teams have because they might have a partner in another team and and another city, or they have a good friend who is moving away, and so most of the teams are somehow connected. So it's very easy to get into a team through mutual friends and most of the teams are quite open to let you join, especially on fun tournaments, but also on a bit more competitive settings.
[00:11:41] Luisa: Yeah, we definitely have the fun aspect. I don't know so much about the competitive one.
[00:11:47] Tulsa: Yeah.
[00:11:48] Luisa: Was the national teams, was the, the youth teams, your first experiences with more formal coaching or like a more formal organization of a team.
[00:11:58] Caroline Tisson: Yes. So it was my first experience playing all girls, seven seven before I only played five on five, which is pretty common where from, because the teams are not as big. So it was the first time while we had an all girls team, seven on seven and formal coaching in a way that we had game plans and we had a team that was willing to stick to it and all were eager to learn. And we had an amazing atmosphere in the team.
[00:12:32] Tulsa: So that first you 17 team, you competed at what tournaments? European. What do you call it?
[00:12:40] Caroline Tisson: It's the European Championships. It was the same year when there were the under 20 Worlds in Heilbronn in Germany. And next to this tournament, they had an under 17 European competition where we had four girls teams and two were from Germany. So it was the very beginning of under 17 European girls ultimate. So at the moment we have close to 10 teams in a good year. So it changed a lot and the quality of the ultimate is so different. So we had an, A team and a B team at this tournament. And sometimes we joke about how you get into the A team. And so I was a handler in this A team and I always joke about it's just because I was able to throw a flick, not more like, and yeah, it was like the beginning of the basics and it was a lot of fun. And looking back to this final game that we played against Sweden, a lot of turns. But yeah, it's sometimes we just look the game for fun because it's, it's, it's sweet. Uh,
[00:13:51] Tulsa: Yeah.
[00:13:51] Caroline Tisson: Yeah. And then when I look at the girls, I coach I'm pretty happy what happened in between these years.
[00:13:59] Tulsa: Great. Yeah, that's, that's cool to be a part of the first U 17 competition there. And, and then to be coach, ended up coaching the U 17 national team and see the growth. That's really awesome.
[00:14:11] Caroline Tisson: It wasn't the first, the first was one year before in 2009 and Vienna, but that was the really first under 17 girls division ice, I think. Or it, was it under 20? So the first European girls competition was 2009 and then 2010, we had this event in Germany with two German teams.
[00:14:30] Tulsa: Nice.
[00:14:31] Caroline Tisson: Yeah. That's really nice. It's a very cool development and some countries they integrated, ultimate in their schools board or in physical education. And you really see that, how these programs developed very fast and get, and these teams get very good.
[00:14:49] Caroline Tisson: For example, France, they integrated it into the curriculum some years ago. And since then French on the 17 teams get better and better and better. It's very cool to see
[00:14:59] Tulsa: Well, I had no idea about that.
[00:15:01] Caroline Tisson: And the opportunities to get into ultimate, they very limited because someone has to tell you that there is a sport called ultimate and then someone has to tell you that there's a team nearby. So if you have ultimate as part of the curriculum, you have more girls noticing there's ultimate and you have more girls considering starting it.
[00:15:26] Luisa: Yeah, I feel like that's really similar for us in the U.S. A lot of people like our age and up, I think have very similar stories of stumbling into ultimate somehow. And I heard it from a friend sort of thing. And now you have people who are playing it in middle school and going to summer camps for it and stuff.
[00:15:45] Luisa: Yeah.
[00:15:46] Caroline Tisson: Yeah, exactly.
[00:15:46] Luisa: the growth. Yeah.
[00:15:48] Tulsa: So you've played for six youth national teams, then you coached the girls U 17 national team, and now you're coaching the girls U 20 national team. So I'm curious how you got into coaching, what your first experience was like, and then how you worked your way up to coaching for these youth national teams.
[00:16:07] Caroline Tisson: I started coaching in high school. So I had some coaching experience from fencing before. So I had some youth groups. So I was used to stand in front of groups and leader training. And at some point at my school club, me and my best friend, we decided that we wanted to grow the club and have more youth players because the older generation was graduating and we were facing a season with like 10 players.
[00:16:35] Caroline Tisson: So we thought it would be worth a try to expand the program. So we did that and think I coached three years in my high school. At one point me and my best friend, I wrote everything and wanted to do with them and how we wanted to recruit them and how we wanted to train them, we, and went to a teacher who was leading the club and we were like, that's a plan.
[00:16:58] Caroline Tisson: Can we do it? And he was really cool to just say, okay, do it. And so from that point on, he was kind of keeping an eye on everything's going fine, but we were given more and more responsibility. We went on tournaments with the kids. We structured the training and we read about how to do it. And we tried a lot and this was my first coaching experience and ultimate, and it was so much fun that I wanted to stick with it.
[00:17:28] Caroline Tisson: So when I left high school, I did a 10 month program in a small city in Southern Germany. That was no big ultimate scene. And it was exciting moving away into houses with a lot of young people. So I barely played there. I had the idea of having our own little team in our dorm. So I had a beginner's team there.
[00:17:54] Caroline Tisson: We just met whenever we wanted, and then we had a little tournament. So it was another beginner's coaching experience. Then at the end of the summer, the under 17 coach of the girls quit, and I got a phone call of my former under 20 coach. And he was like, why don't you try it?
[00:18:12] Caroline Tisson: So at first I was very confused because I wouldn't think that I can do it because it was a national team, and I did not feel as if I'm good enough to coach this and this, as if I'm ready to do it. But then he said something that really changed my mind. In the long-term I don't even think that he knows that it did, but he said you grow on the challenges you're given.
[00:18:39] Caroline Tisson: And yeah, I had no point against that. I was like, yeah. Okay. So I'm trying to grow in this challenge. And so, and the first season he was organizing a lot for me because the under 17 and the 20 team, they were connected and they would do their training camps together. So he was just like, okay, try to learn.
[00:19:03] Caroline Tisson: We have a pitch and sleeping area here. Join us with a team and let's go. So this was my first year. and later this season, I was joined by a co-coach and she she did that with me for the first tournament, which was a European championship in Frankfurt and after the week, I was just so exhausted.
[00:19:28] Caroline Tisson: I couldn't do anything like for five days I was just, I was done. I was, I couldn't imagine doing anything for days because you have this 24 7 responsibility for all the kids. And you're just a few years older than that than they are. So yeah. But it was, it was a very special team to me because some of the best friends of my little brothers were on the team.
[00:19:59] Caroline Tisson: So it felt very family like to me, and because they had such a low barrier in communicating with me and they were so easy they were so easy treating me as a friend. The others adapted to this, so it was very easy for me being, being a coach for them because we had such a friendly attitude towards each other.
[00:20:25] Caroline Tisson: So it was, I was very lucky to join this year.
[00:20:29] Luisa: It sounds like that communication piece really helped in talking to like those younger players, what what were like some challenges at least of that first tournament or of practices beforehand of like getting your coaching? I don't know what the word is. I don't know. Getting your coaching hat on.
[00:20:46] Caroline Tisson: I think in the first year I did not bother too much with like developing a coaching philosophy or anything. It was just so much to organize that just kept me busy. We always had other coaches or sometimes parents that would help and like finding accommodation and paying tournament fees and all of this stuff, but still you're somehow involved in it.
[00:21:08] Caroline Tisson: And I think the most challenging part of it was the actual tournament, because we had a very hot week and on day two, I had three sick girls because of like heat sickness. So yeah, I think the most challenging was organizing this team throughout the week. Because we had this, we had a lot of heat and like these tiny girls are not really resistant to heat. And also I was very inexperienced and like how often do I tell them to drink? And how rigorous am I in discussing that they have to wear their hat?
[00:21:48] Caroline Tisson: So, so now I'm, I'm very straight about this. I'm like, wear your hat, drink your water, no jokes. But in their first year, if they begin to discuss, you're not sure if that's a point that is debatable or not. So I think that was a challenge, identifying where can you debate about how you do things and where can you not debate.
[00:22:11] Caroline Tisson: But it was not that where's that I wouldn't do it again, obviously. So it was still a lot of fun. We lost the final, very close. It was just one or two points. It was devastating for us. But with a few weeks distance, you look back and you think, okay, I just coached my first European championship and we reached the finals and nobody died. It's, it's great.
[00:22:40] Tulsa: Yeah. So then after that, what year was that?
[00:22:44] Caroline Tisson: It was in 2015.
[00:22:47] Tulsa: So then how many U 17 teams have you coached since then?
[00:22:51] Caroline Tisson: Ah, that's difficult. I don't really know to be honest. I think I coached three or four under 17 teams.
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[00:25:08] Tulsa: So in, in all of that, that you've done since your first, that first season with the huge 17 girls, what have you learned as a coach, what has changed in the way you approach things?
[00:25:18] Caroline Tisson: The first thing that I noticed that changed was my relationship to the team because when I started it was just a few years older than them, just three or four years older than the oldest ones and the best friends of my little brothers and the team. So it was very level of relationship and it developed more and more into yet. I mean, I get older, they don't. So although I would not consider myself as old, I still feel that I'm a lot older than them. So when I remember back to my high school days, like somebody's six or eight years old, it was like, old.
[00:25:59] Tulsa: Yeah.
[00:26:00] Caroline Tisson: So, and this really changed how the team or how the players would behave when I'm around. Because in the first years they would joke with me a lot and I was more friend person, and now I'm more of a coach person. I had to adapt to it a bit, but I don't think it's good or bad. It's just something that happens if you're coaching a youth team and you get old and they don't.
[00:26:30] Caroline Tisson: So this is the thing that changed a lot. And in my bachelor's degree, I did a lot of, I don't know how to call it spot from it long. It's not teaching, but it's like how to, I don't know the word. That's interesting. Yeah, it's, it's kind of how to teach, how to coach. So during my bachelor's degree, I learned a lot about coaching and how to teach tactics and how to teach concepts and how to teach skills. So every class I took my coaching developed with it, which was very cool because I could transfer all of the stuff I learned in university to my coaching.
[00:27:11] Caroline Tisson: And I think that I got more refined in my coaching philosophy since then. So so I developed a strong understanding of where I want to be as a coach. So for me, it's very important to meet the players just where they are. I do this in my club team and in the youth team as well. Because if we don't meet somewhere, how would we work together?
[00:27:34] Caroline Tisson: For me in the consequence, that means I have to be very flexible and each year like, who's there, what do they want, what are they able to do? Still, it's very cool that to see the same faces again and again. You have new players each year and some are leaving someone new, but as you can work with them for two or sometimes three years, you create a relationship that is a bit deeper than if you would just have them for a few months.
[00:28:02] Caroline Tisson: uh, Yeah, from this first year, I don't recall, a lot of specific things I learned this year. It was crucial to get me into this position and notice that I love this style of coaching. I love this way of coaching a team, but I think the learning really happened through repeating this process over and over again.
[00:28:25] Caroline Tisson: And each year with my co coach reflecting, what could we do better? What was not good last year? What do we want to try and also collecting feedback from the girls each year and asking them, like, what did you like, what did you not like? How can we improve?
[00:28:41] Tulsa: Yeah. I've really liked that listening to the players and what they want to be done differently. Do you have some examples of things that you've learned or like you and your co-coach adjusted from one year to the next?
[00:28:54] Caroline Tisson: I think one important adaption was that at some point we noticed that we have to set boundaries on how far we will do what they want us to do. I don't know if this were the right word, right words to describe it, but we wanted to be very open on what they needed from us and also what they would enjoy how we would lead the team.
[00:29:19] Caroline Tisson: But at some point, or at one season, we noticed if we don't set boundaries on how far we can come over to them and say, okay, we can do this, then we cannot lead a national team. So at some point we, we saw that we have to be clearer about in which setting we can debate, how are we going to do it so that we have to define that this is a national team.
[00:29:44] Caroline Tisson: It's not wish what you want. It's so we have some goals that we have, we want to achieve and how we get there. This is debatable, but we need some basic commitment to our philosophy to lead the team. So I think that was a learning that I had at some point where I noticed okay it's nice to communicate a lot and to integrate their visions into the team as well, but you also have to have a really clear idea of where you want to go, and if you can go there with their vision of how things could be done.
[00:30:22] Luisa: I think it's really interesting. Carli has, have you had players, even under 17 year olds come to you and your co-coach with, ideas or visions that you've worked into your coaches philosophy?
[00:30:36] Caroline Tisson: Totally, there were players suggesting that we could try other things to do. I don't think that they with like one conversation, somebody challenged the coaching philosophy, but they often challenge on how we do things on the field. Like, why can't we do this like this? Oh why can't we run this system? Or let's try the set play. It depends on the experience that the players bring with them. Some play in adult teams already, and some have very advanced ideas about the game. So I see it as, as a task to foster this talent. So if they are able to communicate ideas on the field we try to integrate these ideas to develop them as capable players that think about the game they play.
[00:31:24] Caroline Tisson: You can only do it to a certain extent because not everybody can just throw in random ideas, but we, in our coaching, we really try to have this moments of the team, the players themselves getting into thinking about what they can do and what they what is successful, it isn't so bad.
[00:31:43] Caroline Tisson: We have this time because we have multiple training weekends throughout the entire year. Now the challenge we have is that if we present a coaching style that they don't like, they wouldn't come. It's their free time. Why, why would they do something that they don't feel appreciated in or what, what, it's not fun for them. So as we don't have this massive player base, we have to how we have to discuss about what we have to negotiate between what they think is fun and what we think is necessary.
[00:32:17] Luisa: And do you have an example of something where that conflict may be most comes in, into play, like of what you all for you as the coaching staff is like, we, we need to do this or we can't do this or something. And your players are like, this is what's fun for us. Is, has there been an instance of that?
[00:32:33] Caroline Tisson: The length of a lunch breaks. So certainly, and, but I think that the most, the best, the best example of it would be our 2019 season where we had European championships and we, we didn't perform very well because what we thought was necessary that they commit and the preparation training wise and what they thought was necessary, it was two different stories. So we had a lot of frustration on different parts of the teams because some felt that they were pushed too much. Others were frustrated because they were working a lot and the others would not match up to this. So they were wondering, why do I do that? And I don't know what happened in the season.
[00:33:26] Caroline Tisson: I'm still very frustrated with it because at some point we just lost a bit of the connection to the team. Like we had this very committed group of players who did a great job in preparing for the event. They trained a lot and they were really peaking there at the tournament, but we also had some players that weren't at a point where they where they couldn't make this project such a high priority in their lives because they had other things to do.
[00:33:57] Caroline Tisson: But that's the challenge that we always have with these youth teams. If we don't have a huge player base, that we have a team with very different skillsets and very different attitudes towards committing their free time and to training. So the 2019 season with this not too successful tournament and like losing the connection to the team.
[00:34:21] Caroline Tisson: It was like talking against a wall sometimes because we couldn't like motivate them to yeah, that was very frustrating. And I think it was really a point where we had a difficult discussion with different team members on what each and everyone has to contribute to this project.
[00:34:40] Tulsa: Yeah, I think that's a, you're not alone in that, in that challenge. I think a lot of teams struggle with that. And I know my college team had something similar where a group of people wanted to be more competitive and put in more time and more energy and ask for that from everyone. And they were a group of people who, for them, they couldn't give much more and they wanted to enjoy, you know, a certain amount of time.
[00:35:06] Tulsa: And I think it's just, it's really hard to then unite around a goal. If your goals are different, how do you work together? What do you fall back on when things are hard? It's really challenging. And then how, what do you do when you have portions of the team that want different things? I think that's a really challenging place to be in. And then the pandemic hit in 2020. So tough time for you.
[00:35:26] Caroline Tisson: Yeah. So in my club team, we had the same challenges, but I think we maneuvered around a bit better. Because we just noticed that we have to communicate a lot about what our goals and what are the consequences of these goals. So before we had some years where we were talking about, yeah, we want to make first league and we want to be successful in the German championships, or we want to play seven on seven and practices, all of these goals that we had.
[00:35:59] Caroline Tisson: And at the end of the season, we were frustrated because we couldn't achieve any of these goals. So the next season, what we did was before our team meeting, like the start pre seasoned meeting, I did a survey asking, like, what are your goals? But also what are you able to give this year? how often can you be available?
[00:36:20] Caroline Tisson: How often would you train for yourself? What are you your motives? Why do you come training? So, and then we started the entire discussion about what we want to reach for the next year we started at based on the answers of the second part, what are you able to contribute? how often can you join training?
[00:36:36] Caroline Tisson: How much can you train and why do you even come to training? Is it because of fun? And it's because of competition, do you just want to get fit? And the results of this discussion where it's so drastically different to what we wanted to reach the year before, but it made the atmosphere in the team a lot more understanding of how others see it and why we maybe have to cut back on some of the goals if we all want to enjoy the season.
[00:37:05] Caroline Tisson: And we also had a discussion that I don't know who, who said that in our team meeting, but at some point we discussed about do everybody's hundred percent have to be the same, or is everybody a hundred percent, maybe a bit different. And in acknowledging that everybody's 100% look different, you are able to see that someone else is putting a hundred percent of her available time in it.
[00:37:34] Caroline Tisson: And even if my 100% looks very different to hers, I can still acknowledge that she gives her best.
[00:37:42] Tulsa: Yeah. I think that sounds really beneficial for a team. I love that. I think I've done something similar, almost working in the opposite direction as you have, like, okay, what are our goals? What do we want to reach? And now we work backwards. What does it look like to actually reach that goal? So if, for example, my college team had a goal making nationals and then we're like, okay, so what does that look like?
[00:38:07] Tulsa: How often do we practice? How much work do you put in outside of practice? How much do you throw? What tournaments do we go to? How much are we traveling? And kind of, instead of just tossing out a goal and then seeing if you get there, it's like, okay, well, what does it, what does it realistically look like?
[00:38:22] Tulsa: Are we willing to put in this work? So I really like your approach too, of like, okay, what can you give? And now let's look, what can we do with, with that? I love that
[00:38:31] Caroline Tisson: Yeah, totally. I think your way is a lot more appropriate for teams that have a competitive attitude already, because they might be willing to throw a little extra into what they want to do. If they have this attractive goal. And this other bottom up approach, I felt was more appropriate for very heterogeneous team of people and very different points on the life.
[00:38:57] Luisa: It feels incredibly collaborative. I think that it's really, really common for the competitive teams here to sort of set their goal. And because we have, I guess you could say like a larger player base of people to choose from, you get to pick people who are going to sort of contribute to that. but I think it ends up in situations where you have people who don't feel heard, they don't feel like they're contributing to this collaboration or something like that.
[00:39:29] Luisa: So just the system that, that you have for your team I, know it's, it resulted in very different goals, but I think for the, prosperity of the team, that sort of collaboration is probably really invaluable. And just, is it sets up a different sort of environment than this, like uber competitive one that is just like, okay, we have to chase like an on the field goal or something like that.
[00:39:52] Luisa: I think that's really interesting.
[00:39:53] Caroline Tisson: but I, I would be very curious if some some team in a more competitive setting would try this approach. I'm not, I'm not sure if it works. It's so my home team is not a competitive team. most of us, somehow friends and have known each other for very long. So we also enjoy just spending time with each other. So, I don't know if that's similar in competitive teams where people go to because they want to compete.
[00:40:21] Caroline Tisson: So we we talked about coaching philosophy and I before, and I, I thought about like, what are the core elements about coaching philosophy? I think the newest addition is due to your coaching at the GUTC camp, but Germany, because I was so impressed that all of you four were just coaching in cleats and like showing everything you wanted the kids to do, that I adapted it.
[00:40:55] Caroline Tisson: So this is like a new core element my, my coaching is cleats on and on all the trainings training camps we had since then I try to, at least for some of the practices, just put my cleats on and participate as much as I could. And it was pretty cool to be able to show what you want them to do and not like fall on your nose because your shoes are too slippery of you want to throw a huck something like this.
[00:41:24] Caroline Tisson: Um, But also to be able to do things in full speed and to join for a point, if you want to just want to play with them and see what are they doing? What does it look like on field and how are they communicating? Yeah. So there's this the newest addition. It's thanks Tulsa.
[00:41:42] Tulsa: Yeah. I love that. That's great. I feel like your players must love it too, because they get to then see you the way you do things and I'm sure they look up to you as a player and then to get to like, be on the field and see you do drills. And I bet that's cool for them.
[00:41:57] Tulsa: So, and yeah, I bet just some context for people.
[00:42:02] Tulsa: I got to travel to Germany in 2019 with GUTC, the global ultimate training school, kind of an offshoot of NUTC and we ran, we worked with the German U 20 national programs, the boys and girls, and then with the coaches who coach in the German national team program. And we got to kind of like work with the kids, a bunch, coach them a bunch and then work with the coaches.
[00:42:25] Tulsa: And so that's how we met first. Well, I guess that's not how we first met, but we didn't connect that we played each other. Yeah, that's great. I love that.
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[00:43:22] Tulsa: I think it's really impressive that you're, you've been competing at a super high level and coaching at a high level and doing both at the same time.
[00:43:31] Tulsa: I'm curious, I think for me as a coach, some of the things that I do coaching I've pulled from either what I've seen coaches do that I really liked or things that I wish coaches did, that they didn't do. So I'm curious if there are any things off the top of your head that you've pulled from your playing career and brought into what you do as a coach.
[00:43:51] Caroline Tisson: I think a lot. So, especially in the first years of coaching I drew a lot on on the experience that I had as a junior. And it was very refreshing when my co-coach Catarina, she joined me and she never played juniors. So she had a very fresh perspective on how we do things and she questioned some things how we do it.
[00:44:14] Caroline Tisson: And it was very good because I never had so many different perspectives on it. I don't remember like very specific things that I transfered. Let me think about it a moment,
[00:44:28] Tulsa: Yeah. Now that I'm thinking about the question, I'm trying to come up with answers for myself and it's a hard one.
[00:44:33] Caroline Tisson: Yeah. So I, I was also able in 2016 to be coached, I was coached in 2016 by Yelena, a player from fury. She coached the German national team and with her coaching style, that was so different to what I was used to.
[00:44:54] Caroline Tisson: I was also able to develop my coaching because if you have only one experience on how you have been coached, I mean, it comes to you that it's not the only way you can do things, but you're, so you said that comes easy to you to just adapt it abit, but stay around this style. So experiencing another style of coaching was very exciting and also changed my coaching a lot.
[00:45:22] Caroline Tisson: And I think one thing that I had wished that coaches had done for me before that I now try to incorporate is variety of positions. So I always played offense handling. I always did. It's not the position I enjoy the most, I like defense a lot. But somehow I got stuck there. I mean, it's not the worst, it's still fun.
[00:45:49] Caroline Tisson: It's position has has some interesting parts to it. But I would have loved to try different things in my different years because I played some seasons in these teams and now we try as a coaching team to look at the player, not what is she able to do the best, but what has she never tried? And then we ask her if she would feel comfortable in trying something different at some part points that might mean that she is not performing.
[00:46:23] Caroline Tisson: She wrote perform the best you can do, obviously. But at some point we then take players from what they can do best to something they might not feel too comfortable with in the first place. And it could affect the overall performance later in the tournament. But I think as the development team in the, under 20, it's very important to to give players opportunities to try different positions because they are still young.
[00:46:52] Caroline Tisson: And most of them don't play for years and decades. They play like maybe for 3, 4 years and they maybe try it one or two things. So as I always play the same position for me, it's very, very important to push them into a bit outside of their comfort zone, to try something new. If they don't feel comfortable with it, we don't force anything on them.
[00:47:13] Caroline Tisson: And we always ask if they want to try it. But yeah, we try to look at them in a way, like what could they try? Not what are they best at?
[00:47:23] Tulsa: Yeah. I feel like there's so much benefit, especially that youth players can get from trying different positions and pushing their comfort zone and learning the field from different perspectives. So I think that's really beneficial.
[00:47:35] Caroline Tisson: Um, I was thinking about what I learned through my studies in university, I think like one point that is really a core part of my coaching now is that it's more than sports because sports is not only, you're running around a bit. It's so much more, it's a social construct, it's a community, you practice social skills, you practice athletic skills, you practice how you communicate. And especially in ultimate you practice a lot how to debate, how to communicate respectfully. And also when I coach youth teams, we spend like weekends with them. Like entire weekends we don't only spend time on the pitch with them, but also we have to organize accommodation. We have to organize food. We have to organize the place that we are sleeping in because mostly we're sleeping in schools or youth clubs or somethings that we don't have youth hostels or so not everybody has to bring their bed and we have to somehow make sure everybody feels okay and that we um, keep the space clean that we help each other in what has to be done.
[00:48:45] Caroline Tisson: So I think in both in the club team and also in the national team, it's important to keep in mind that coaching is more than just sport. It's more than just running around. It's some people would say it's a school of life, but I think it's, it's a bit too high, but yeah, I just think you have to keep in mind that you, as a coach, you teach more than just a game because people look up to you and people Yeah. They, they observe how you do things and how you approach people. And so that's very important for me, especially in the youth.
[00:49:18] Tulsa: Yeah. I think that's, that's something I totally agree with and have felt sometimes. I think we've talked about this on other parts of our podcasts, which is I think, in the us we're lacking good coaching. And I think, especially at the youth level, those things are so important to me, the things that you talked about, how a coach carries themself because as you said, the, the players they're totally watching and learning from you.
[00:49:46] Tulsa: And so the way that a coach carries themself on the sideline on the field and any everywhere else is - players are learning from. And so that's definitely something that I feel like coaches everywhere probably, but definitely some coaches I've seen in the US could learn from.
[00:50:03] Caroline Tisson: totally. I totally agree that coaching, especially in ultimate as a young sport is a bit underdeveloped because we don't have so many players that decide that they want to be coaches most, just most are pushed into it and some just do it because they are the most experienced player. And I don't think that we have too many people that really want to be a coach.
[00:50:29] Caroline Tisson: It gets more and more and I think that's awesome, but it might take a bit time to develop it. And also I think one thing that you can observe and most of the sports is that the best coaches, the most experienced coaches, they always coach experienced and elite teams. While these are the teams that need them the least I'm convinced that the best coaches have to be on the youth level
[00:50:58] Luisa: Hm.
[00:50:58] Caroline Tisson: because they know how to coach things.
[00:51:02] Caroline Tisson: So players can later be successful. And that's the same in many sports. We have it in football here in Germany. It's very popular. You have the best coaches on the best teams, but the players that will be successful later, they had very good coaches at the early start of the
[00:51:22] Tulsa: So you mentioned it briefly in terms of kind of like where some of your learnings have come from, and that's your - the graduate program that you're in. Well, you, you, and you also mentioned your bachelor's degree. So can you explain what your graduate program is about?
[00:51:46] Caroline Tisson: Yeah. So I study international sport development and politics, and this program has two focal points, one is sport development itself. And it's where we ask questions about how do we develop sport? How do we build a federation, but also how do politics treat sport and how could a city foster sport development? So we look at the public sector or the commercial sector and the organized sport and how sport is organized and developed there.
[00:52:21] Caroline Tisson: And the other part that we do in our study program is sport for development. So questions of this part would be how can we use sport as a tool for development? So I guess that this program not really did not really help me in coaching, but it really helped me understand some bigger issues that we have from the world of sports and how we organize sport. And the way we organize sport leads to some consequences that we face. For example, like with corruption issues and FIFA UAF or IOC, and that sport is always political.
[00:53:01] Caroline Tisson: This is very connected to this philosophy. Part of it's more than sports, because it is more sports, more than just people running around. It's always connected to politics, especially competitive sport. But my favorite part or the part that I try to specialize in is more the informal sports sector.
[00:53:22] Caroline Tisson: So I wanna know where do people gather together? Or are they alone doing sports, moving getting active, doing things they enjoy and movement? And how can politics, organized sport, and commercial providers, so how can the landscape of sport, how could they build up an environment where people like to move?
[00:53:45] Caroline Tisson: Because I think it's a very important question for the future.
[00:53:49] Luisa: Part of your program you're doing research is, is your research related to any of these things that you had mentioned? What is, what are you specifically doing with your research?
[00:53:59] Caroline Tisson: So in my graduate program, it's the scientific master's degree. So in most of the courses, we have to do some small scientific studies. And then apart from that, I, I work at the Institute I study at as a student researcher and the topics I do research on, they're a bit different because it depends on which projects are funded at the moment.
[00:54:22] Caroline Tisson: But my professor, he knows that I like these more informal sport topics and always tries to set me on one of those projects that are more connected to this. So the last big project was a project about small sized football pitches, which is um, we call it baltzplatz in Germany. It's a type of playground that we have in Germany, which is a playing pitch.
[00:54:50] Caroline Tisson: It can be different grounds, it can be just mud, it can be grass, can be turf, sometimes has goals, not always, but we did a big study on, on this very specific type of playing field and how it is used and where it came from and because nobody ever did any big research on it. So my professor thought it's time to change it.
[00:55:15] Luisa: cool. has there been a thing that you've researched in your time there, that you were like really surprised by?
[00:55:23] Caroline Tisson: Not in this project because most of so we it's like basic research what we do there. So it's mostly trying to build a scientific fundament for what is partly common sense already. But I think one thing that was very surprising to me, Is that I did a series of interviews with social initiatives that use this baltzplatz for social work.
[00:55:50] Caroline Tisson: And I wasn't aware that this is such a big sector with so different players and different forms of how they organize it as a club or as as a, ah, I don't know if you have all this. So we have different form, different legal forms of a club or different social companies. And it's a very diverse field of players and they all try to get on these football pitches to connect to youth and to work with them.
[00:56:21] Caroline Tisson: So I wasn't aware that it's so big because I never was on these pitches because I, I'm not a big football fan, like soccer for you.
[00:56:30] Tulsa: So we like to ask the question what's next for you and you can interpret it in whatever sense you want.
[00:56:43] Caroline Tisson: So yeah, I hope next for me is world games experience, we are still in the tryout process, so I still don't know if it's if it's going to happen. So for me, hopefully the next summer we'll have some big event, either a world games or maybe a club championship. That's next for me, hopefully. And that's about it for my ultimate plans at the moment.
[00:57:11] Caroline Tisson: Because I'm trying to graduate this year and also find a job and I'm not sure how much I can prioritize ultimate then for at least for some months I have to commit to other things. So yeah, next for me is hopefully a great season of ultimate with the word games team. If I'm playing in Birmingham, I don't know yet.
[00:57:35] Caroline Tisson: But I will still join the training camps and maybe even a world championship, I don't know yet, but yeah. And if this would work, I would join the under 20 team in the Dominican Republic. So something great will happen this summer. I don't know yet which one, but uh, one event will be there.
[00:57:57] Tulsa: That's exciting. We'll uh, we'll cheer for you for the World Games team.
[00:58:01] Caroline Tisson: Thanks.
[00:58:03] Luisa: We end every episode by playing a game with our guests. We call it Frisbee Feud. It's based off a game called Family Feud, but so we posted a bunch of questions to our social media, asking our listeners and followers to give their answers to that. So you have to guess what our followers top answers were.
[00:58:27] Caroline Tisson: Oh, that's fun. Okay. I'm excited.
[00:58:29] Luisa: So we're going to do something a little bit new with Frisbee Feud. Per the suggestion of one of our listeners, we're going to have Carli go head-to-head with Tulsa in Frisbee Feud. I don't actually know how this is going to work, cause we don't have buzzers.
[00:58:43] Tulsa: Yeah, I think maybe we should just say like, okay, Carli, you're going to get the first guess question and then if you get it right, I think you get to guess again, if you get it wrong, then I get to guess.
[00:58:54] Luisa: So for the first question, Carli named the most popular trick throw that's not a forehand or backhand.
[00:59:02] Caroline Tisson: I would say a hammer.
[00:59:04] Luisa: Okay. Yeah. That is the top answer. So you get the points for that and that you get to guess again.
[00:59:10] Caroline Tisson: Second scoober do you call it like that.
[00:59:14] Luisa: Yes, we call it a scoober. And that is it's tied for second with another, another throw.
[00:59:21] Caroline Tisson: With another throw? I wonder if the push pause is as popular as the scoober.
[00:59:28] Luisa: The push pass is also a popular trick throw, but it's not the one that's tied with the scoober. I don't know if you would call it this in Germany. So it might not be very fair, but Tulsa I'll let you get a guess because Carli got three of the most popular.
[00:59:45] Tulsa: I'm going to guess an offhand throw like a lefty.
[00:59:48] Luisa: Yeah. An offhand throws on there still, not still, not this still not the one tied up with a scoober. This is truly a trick throw. I don't know that that's not true. I did see someone throw this once in a game, but it was like a league game.
[01:00:04] Tulsa: So is it Carli's guess?
[01:00:05] Luisa: I would say at this point, either of you can guess. Cause I would say that Carli swept that one,
[01:00:10] Tulsa: Okay. I'm going to guess a thumber.
[01:00:14] Luisa: A thumber is on there still not the, not a throw.
[01:00:18] Caroline Tisson: Chicken wing.
[01:00:20] Luisa: Yes.
[01:00:22] Tulsa: That's what I was going to say next.
[01:00:24] Luisa: Yeah, that's it. That one is tied with, scoober from our listener answers.
[01:00:29] Tulsa: Wow. A scoober and a chicken wing are the same. What?
[01:00:33] Luisa: I will, one definitely has more value. I
[01:00:38] Caroline Tisson: Have you ever used chicken wing in the game?
[01:00:40] Luisa: Never, and the confidence needed. Couldn't be me.
[01:00:46] Tulsa: Uh,
[01:00:46] Luisa: All right. Next next question. Tell us your favorite weather to play ultimate in.
[01:00:51] Tulsa: Oh God. That's pretty broad.
[01:00:54] Luisa: It's very broad.
[01:00:57] Tulsa: I would say, oh, okay. Yeah. How much do I have to guess to get it correct. I'm going to say
[01:01:05] Luisa: It'll be up to my discretion.
[01:01:07] Tulsa: 60 degrees and cloudy. 60 degrees Fahrenheit.
[01:01:12] Luisa: Yeah. 60 degrees Fahrenheit. There's a couple 60 degrees Fahrenheit on here. No cloudy. Oh, sorry. No, Tim just corrected. There is one, one person answered 60 degrees in cloudy.
[01:01:24] Tulsa: So is it Carli's guess
[01:01:26] Luisa: Yeah. I would say Carli Carli's guess now.
[01:01:28] Caroline Tisson: Okay. I shall have to convert okay. That I would guess 70 degree and sunny.
[01:01:39] Luisa: That is the top answer. 70 degrees and sunny.
[01:01:44] Tulsa: Well, who are these people? That's too warm, 70 plus sun. That's way too warm. Wow.
[01:01:52] Caroline Tisson: Depends on if you want to play competitively or drink beer.
[01:01:56] Tulsa: Okay. That's a good
[01:01:57] Luisa: Really great point. Okay. Carli, you get to guess again. It's similar to the other. They're all similar. Actually. Now that I'm looking at them, I'll let you just guess you can just guess. Whatever answers do you think people gave.
[01:02:10] Caroline Tisson: Yeah. Then I would go for 75 degrees and no wind.
[01:02:15] Tulsa: wind.
[01:02:16] Luisa: No wind. is also one of the top answers. It was part of the, part of that one is yeah. People, people like when there's no wind.
[01:02:24] Tulsa: Did anyone say warm rain?
[01:02:27] Luisa: say warm rain. I was going to ask the two of you. What's each of your favorite weather to play ultimate in.
[01:02:32] Tulsa: I think mine is 60 and cloudy, which is why I guessed it,
[01:02:37] Caroline Tisson: Yeah. I guess minus around that, too. Not too hot.
[01:02:41] Luisa: I do. I'm a big fan of, of playing in a light rain. It just layouts
[01:02:47] Tulsa: Yeah
[01:02:47] Luisa: of Mistier.
[01:02:48] Tulsa: But not so rainy that you can't
[01:02:50] Luisa: Yeah.
[01:02:50] Luisa: Yeah, okay. Cool. Last question. And Carli you'll start is tell us something that lots of ultimate coaches say,
[01:03:00] Caroline Tisson: That's exactly what we want them to do.
[01:03:02] Luisa: Wait, I love that one. Is that on here? It should be. Oh, that one is not on here.
[01:03:09] Tulsa: So positive.
[01:03:10] Luisa: that's. A very good one. That's funny. All right, Tulsa, make a guess.
[01:03:17] Tulsa: Wow. Hmm. Bring it in.
[01:03:21] Luisa: Bringing in is also really good. That is not on the list. All right. Back to Carli.
[01:03:26] Caroline Tisson: Stay calm in front of the end zone.
[01:03:29] Luisa: There is a chilly. There is a chili on there which is pretty much calm down. Yeah, that's pretty much the only one. All right, Tulsa.
[01:03:39] Tulsa: I'm trying to think like a coach cliche.
[01:03:42] Luisa: Yeah, there's some, I will say there's some coach cliches on this list. There's also some that questionable. I don't know that I'd want to coach saying it.
[01:03:51] Tulsa: We have to want it.
[01:03:54] Luisa: It's just so clear that the two of you are coaches, you know.
[01:03:59] Tulsa: I thought that was going to be one that was like more of a cliche, you know? You have to want it. Nope. Okay.
[01:04:04] Luisa: I mean in that similar vein, but no one wrote that. Carli.
[01:04:08] Caroline Tisson: Hm go dark.
[01:04:10] Tulsa: I know now I can think it's a joke ones. Like the forest is forehand.
[01:04:18] Luisa: I feel like that's what people are doing is a lot of our listeners who maybe aren't in coaches. They're just saying the things that their coaches jokingly or when they're making fun of their coaches. I think that's what a couple of
[01:04:29] Tulsa: But none of it, we
[01:04:30] Luisa: No, not one yet.
[01:04:32] Caroline Tisson: That's
[01:04:33] Luisa: I'll just let you, you can just, at this point, I say you could just, shout it out. Yeah. Whoever gets one, there's a lot.
[01:04:41] Tulsa: Run faster.
[01:04:45] Luisa: Nope
[01:04:45] Tulsa: Um,
[01:04:46] Caroline Tisson: Swing the disc.
[01:04:48] Tulsa: Ooh, that's a good one.
[01:04:50] Luisa: There isn't a swing, but there's a similar one to S to swing.
[01:04:55] Tulsa: Seal like
[01:04:57] Caroline Tisson: Oh,
[01:04:58] Tulsa: No. Okay.
[01:04:59] Caroline Tisson: Sounds so good.
[01:05:00] Luisa: No around is, is one of the top answers is a coach yelling no around which can, can attest literally me all the time.
[01:05:09] Tulsa: Yeah. We need cuts. Where's the stack.
[01:05:15] Caroline Tisson: Oh yes.
[01:05:16] Caroline Tisson: Deeper.
[01:05:17] Caroline Tisson: Deeper.
[01:05:18] Luisa: Go deep, go deep is one.
[01:05:21] Tulsa: I think Carli has two now I have zero.
[01:05:23] Luisa: I'm just realizing that we as coaches have a lot of catch phrases, a lot of really well-known catchphrases. But yeah, instead of the swing out, I'll tell you this one, but instead of swinging, there's look dump.
[01:05:36] Caroline Tisson: Oh,
[01:05:36] Tulsa: Yeah. Okay. Was it, what was, have we guessed the top answer? Is that one of the top answers?
[01:05:42] Luisa: The no around was, was one of the top answers. There's not a lot of people really gave different answers, I guess, a lot of different coaching philosophies out there.
[01:05:49] Tulsa: Okay. Well, Carli crushed me,
[01:05:51] Luisa: yeah.
[01:05:52] Tulsa: I surrender and you can tell us any we missed.
[01:05:55] Luisa: Um, Some other funny ones are catch your Ds, wins championships uh, a zero zero game to one.
[01:06:05] Luisa: That's
[01:06:06] Caroline Tisson: Uh, These are so obvious now you're telling them.
[01:06:08] Tulsa: Yeah, I know.
[01:06:09] Luisa: Uncontrollables another top answer was let's go, but yeah, all of those, all of those.
[01:06:18] Tulsa: Okay. Well,
[01:06:19] Luisa: Cool.
[01:06:19] Tulsa: Carli. Congratulations. Lu you have to play the next one I
[01:06:26] Luisa: One.
[01:06:28] Luisa: Awesome. Well, Carli, thank you for joining us on Share the Air.
[01:06:32] Caroline Tisson: Yeah. Thank you for having me. It was a lot of fun.
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