This episode we chat with St. Olaf Vortex captain and climate justice activist Anna Mulhern. Co-hosted by Tulsa Douglas and Luisa Neves.
In this episode we chat with Anna about how she got into ultimate and into climate justice advocacy. Anna share about the Stop Line 3 movement, the indigenous led resistance she was a part of, and what how you can help to stop Line 3. Tulsa and Anna talk about their experiences as captains of St. Olaf Vortex during different time periods and Anna shares her experience playing with the Swedish national team.
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Episode 14: Anna Mulhern
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[00:00:06] Tulsa: Welcome to episode four of season two. This episode is special to me because we're talking to someone from my college and a current captain of vortex, which is the team I played on at St. Olaf. But before we jump into that conversation, we have a quick note about the next few weeks.
[00:00:24] Luisa: We just wanted to let our listeners know that we're going to be taking a two-week break for the holidays. We'll be back January 10th, with the fifth episode of the second season.
[00:00:33] Tulsa: We took a break in our first season, a one week break, and then we're going to take a two week break this season because it's nice to kind of break up our season. We each podcast. It takes a lot of work. And as we get started in the season where simultaneously recording new episodes with people, editing, doing all of the social media stuff so we're basically working on like three episodes at a time that the one that we just published, the one that. Being published in the next one that we're editing. So it's nice to have a break kind of two-week break to give ourselves some time to catch up, work ahead and yeah. Also rest a little.
[00:01:14] Luisa: yeah, definitely pulling lessons from some of the hecticness of the, the end of the first season and, the start of the season. I think, I think we're learning that if we can do more breaks and take more rest, we can keep delivering more episodes. So
[00:01:30] Tulsa: Yeah. And keep having fun doing it.
[00:01:32] Luisa: Yeah.
[00:01:32] Tulsa: Yeah. Yeah. So if you miss us, well, we're on our break. You can go back and listen to old episodes. You could share an episode with somebody. You can follow us on social media, give us reviews. Always. You can find us on Patrion, all of that good stuff.
[00:01:46] Luisa: Yeah, I think we definitely brand the show as a bunch of conversations. It can also be a conversation starter. So consider that
[00:01:56] Tulsa: good. One.
[00:01:58] Luisa: So thank you listeners so much for sticking out the end of the year with us. We'll see you next year and now we'll get into our conversation with Anna.
[00:02:06] Tulsa: Joining us today is on a Mulhern on a grew up in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and started playing ultimate in high school. On it is currently a senior at St. Olaf college, studying chemistry, biology, international relations, and gender and sexuality studies on it is in her second year as a captain of vortex at St. Olaf. She has also played with Candella a mixed team in Cuernavaca, Mexico. This past summer Ana was in Northern Minnesota fighting line three, which is a reroute and expansion to a pipeline carrying tar sands oils from Canada to Wisconsin through wetlands and treaty territories.
Ana is currently living in Sweden and studying with a women's and gender studies in Europe program and playing with Valkyries ultimate Stockholm's women's team who recently won the Swedish national championship. We're excited to have Ana with us today
so to jump right in, we would love if you could describe in talk a little bit about how you first got into ultimate.
[00:03:14] Anna Mulhern: Yeah, for sure. So I started playing ultimate my freshman year of high school and I was on the cross country running team and Nordic skiing team in the fall and winter. And usually people would maybe go from that into track, but at my high school, south Minneapolis high school. lot of people would go from Nordic skiing into ultimate Frisbee at skiing practices.
People would play ultimate on skis, which maybe in hindsight was not a great idea. Some skis were broken that way, but it was really fun. And so I sort of followed that community onto the ultimate team and just absolutely loved it. I had never played a team sport before, and that was awesome. Also my older sister played on the Frisbee team and I wanted to do everything that she did.
And so that was also definitely a draw for me. It was that Kaitlin played Frisbee. And then I continued to play throughout all of high school and captained my senior.
[00:04:25] Tulsa: At what point when you were playing, did you realize it was something you wanted to keep doing?
[00:04:30] Anna Mulhern: I think I realized that pretty soon, I guess sports have always been really important to me. And so it was less a question of, do I want to do sports, but what sport or what sports do I want to keep doing longterm? And ultimate was just such a different experience to cross-country and Nordic skiing.
Both in terms of the community aspect. And I had such wonderful coaches after having some crappy experiences with coaches in those other two sports. And so I think as the community that I had with an ultimate grew and expanded, it became both about the sport and about the people. And I felt that ultimate started to be a place where getting involved with an engaged, with social justice issues, which is also really important to me was not something that was sort of seen as like an aside, but welcomed as part of the sport. And so that was also something that drove me to like keep doing ultimate.
My senior year of high school on the cross country ski team I had recently learned that a lot of racing ski waxes are fluorinated and that's really harmful to the environment. And I tried to sort of like take a stand with that. And, I was going to like boycott fluoronated waxes at the state meet. And, I was just met with so much backlash from my head coach and from, other, other parents on the team and ultimately.
I didn't go to the state meet at all and was just like, so discouraged by the backlash I received for that. But then within the ultimate community, I've found that there is more of a focus on social justice issues, which is really important to me.
[00:06:25] Tulsa: here on a asked us to clarify that her parents were and continue to be incredibly supportive of her work. Thanks to Kathy and Larry
[00:06:33] Luisa: Do you know what, the reason why? Like what reason did parents and your coach give you for, thinking that, you know, whatever you were saying, wasn't important.
[00:06:43] Anna Mulhern: You ski faster with fluorinated waxes. and that was one of the things that sort of drove me to study chemistry in college was that, People were trying to say to me, oh, when like when you melt the wax or if it's, aerosolized, it's not as harmful and not really knowing the chemistry to be able to respond to that was something that felt incredibly disempowering. And so I honestly think that experience was one of the things that led me to major in chemistry. But yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, it came down to competition for them, you know, on, wet or old snow or you ski a lot faster, on fluorinated waxes.
And, even at the high school level, you know, they weren't willing to take a stand for the environment if it meant skiing slower or maybe placing less or not, not doing as well performance wise. And that is something that just like goes so against everything that I value and luckily within the sport of Nordic skiing that has become more of a discussion. And some athletes are now refusing to race on fluorinated waxes, but it's taken a lot of, a lot of pushing for that when really it should just be something that's obvious. It's not worth it to ski a little bit faster if you're leaving toxic chemicals in the snow that are going to seep into the ecosystems and be there for a really long time. They don't degrade.
[00:08:12] Luisa: Wow. That's I mean, so it sounds like there are a couple of things here that definitely helped shape what you've been doing in the last few years, kind of figuring out that you wanted to do chemistry that, you know, you want it to stick with ultimate Did any of those things influence your choice to go to St. Olaf?
[00:08:30] Anna Mulhern: gosh. Well, I, I remember the night that I was deciding where to go to college, it was 10:00 PM on April 30th. And like decisions are due at midnight. And I hadn't decided, and I'd narrowed it down to two schools. I found like this whiteboard in my room and I wrote up the. And I wrote out pros and cons, and I remember writing down Vortex as a pro for Olaf.
, and of course, obviously I, I ended up choosing St. Olaf. And I think that, I'm glad that I made that decision in hindsight, but yeah, I mean, Olaf isn't like known for having a really strong climate advocacy culture. It has grown in past years, which is really, really fantastic.
But yeah, I think that knowing what I knew about Vortex, my older sister, Kaitlin also played on, on Vortex was, was something that influenced my decision in little ways and then made me so much more excited to get to the school and joined the team. And I also watched more texts when nationals, um,
[00:09:37] Tulsa: You had already decided
[00:09:38] Anna Mulhern: already decided at that point I had, like, I had the shirt, as soon as I decided I got all the merge from my sister. I had the shirt, um, went to Rockford. It was rainy and cold and they let me live, tweet their games. Um, which was really fun. Just, just watching how the team was so supportive and positive and their team culture and their team energy was something that I like still remember and still try to emulate now.
[00:10:10] Luisa: So your older sister also played on
[00:10:12] Anna Mulhern: Yeah. And my younger sister is now also on vortex.
[00:10:19] Luisa: Oh my gosh. That's incredible.
If you were live tweeting the game, you and Tulsa, you two did not overlap, but Tulsa, you overlapped with Anna's sister
[00:10:28] Tulsa: Yeah, yeah. Kaitlyn for two years.
[00:10:30] Luisa: cool. Cool, cool.
Well, I would love to talk about Vortex on your too experiences with it. So you would have started playing, not in the pandemic.
You had already joined Vortex and played a season with them before the pandemic, is that
[00:10:46] Anna Mulhern: Yeah. So I was a freshman in, I graduated high school spring of 2018 and so I had a full freshman year. We went to nationals. We got third. And then my sophomore year, we were preparing to go to Centex and like the week before we were going to go to Centex, it was like our spring break. We heard that Centex was canceled.
And then after that, it was just sort of like a dominoes effect. Not that like Centex was the catalyst for everything else, but it felt like we heard that Centex was canceled. And then we just kept on like hearing everything else. School was canceled. Yeah. Every everything. And that was a really hard time for the Frisbee team.
We had a really, really strong group of people who was, we we'd been preparing so hard that spring. And we were, we were so excited for, for the rest of the season. My older sister was a senior. And, I was so excited to have that last season to play with her on Vortex, especially like I w I wasn't new.
I would have the sophomore now, so I felt more confident in my role in the team and was just so excited to have another, another season with her. And then it just like, ended so suddenly. And then I was made a captain that year or that spring. And so I've only ever been a captain either in the pandemic or across the ocean.
So I don't know what it even feels like to, to captain in the quote unquote, normal times.
[00:12:22] Luisa: Yeah. I feel like in like ulti Twitter and our ultimate news sources and stuff. We kind of focus a lot on what it's been like for us adults to miss out on a club season. And we don't really talk a ton about what it's been like for college students to lose that year and to have to go through that year.
Kind of separated from their communities in a way that's, I think really different than, than what it's been like for adults to not really be around their club teams or their Frisbee communities. So, yeah. Can you share a little bit about did that year look like?
And especially as you then became a captain, what did that look like for, for.
[00:13:02] Anna Mulhern: Yeah. I mean, it was devastating to lose out on it. It's it felt like it's been two years because it was the spring. Series and then another full spring series. But there was like grief involved with that, for sure. Like a lot of the players were sort of, grieving that time.
And then also kind of feeling like we shouldn't be feeling so bad about it because of all the things that could happen to people during COVID for a Frisbee for two Frisbee seasons to be canceled feels incredibly lucky. If that, if that's what's happened, if that's like the thing that you are feeling the most sad about in the moment, it, it almost feels like selfish because so many other people are going through things that are much, much more difficult.
And I think for me, I remember my freshman year, end of the year banquet, and it's the only college under the, your bank, whatever I've had that was in person. And I remember how my coaches, Biz and Reebs, they, they told us like cherish your college team. Because you will never have a team like that ever again.
And, and that, like, I remember, I remember two moments from the end of your banquet very well. It was that my teammate Carol dropped her entire plate of food on the floor. Um, I was like picking it up with her hands. And then I remember so clearly that moment when, when Biz and Reebs told us, like cherish your college team, and I internalize that so deeply.
And I was like, yeah, I have three more years. And I feel so grateful to be hearing these words now when I still have three years and I'm going to cherish this team so much, and then surprised COVID. So now I kind of feel like I have to cram all of that cherishing into one semester when I get back, which is a very impossible thing to, to feel like I have to do.
But in some ways, I've tried to cherish the team in the ways that I can, even with the constraints of, of COVID. And being a captain was something that both made Frisbee during COVID so much harder, but at the same time, I don't know what I would've done if I hadn't been a captain because it helps me focus on other people besides myself and how I was feeling.
And it helped me focus on building something for the first years and, you know, like being a rock for the team instead of sort of like fully feeling the, sadness and the uncertainty and all of that. And I think for me, something that can really keep me grounded or like, it's something that can keep me involved in like, Creating this experience I want to have is when I know that other people are relying on me to do that.
And so, yeah, when I was a captain, it was like all of a sudden there was no roadmap. Usually there's the things that you do, the tournaments that you signed up for, and, you know, you have fields that you apply to play to play on and you submit just these forms that are logistical work, but at least there's a plan.
But yeah, all of a sudden it was like we had no map and it was so much work to oh yeah. Also I should clarify Olaf was in person last year. so we were on campus. We had a lot of, uh, health and safety restrictions. I think that overall the college did a good job with that. And I feel incredibly fortunate that I go to a rural small liberal arts school who was able to have people come back and try to be as much of like a bubble as we could.
And so we had practices in the fall where we had pods that were limited to a size of 10 people. So you technically could have 10 people, but then maybe like six people show up. And it's very hard to lead a practice with a group of six people that feels rewarding. And that feels, that feels even close to as good as it might have in a normal year.
And so it felt like we were putting in so much work to have something that was so subpar.
And that I think as a leader is so like soul crushing to be doing the absolute best that you can. And still it's so much less than, what people would dream about being able to do. And of course it's so understandable, you know, like it wouldn't have been safe to do normal practices, but having that be my first year as a captain, I think was, I just, I learned so much about being a leader and, being a leader doesn't always mean that like you can create the perfect experience, but it means that you are really listening to people about what they want and trying to create some sort of like plan for how you can support what the people who you're working with and the people who you're leading, want to do rather than saying, okay, here's the plan now we're going to do it. And something that my co-captains Anna and Haley and I tried to really focus on during COVID was joy as sort of our like guiding a beacon of what we were doing. And we kept asking, people or saying, saying to the players, like, does this bring you joy?
Does coming to this 10, maybe, actually like six person pod practice make you happy. Is that something that you look forward to during your week? And if not, then like it's okay. Like you don't have to come, take care of yourself, however you need to. But for the people, who said to us, yeah, this brings me so much joy and Haley and I were like, okay, yeah, we'll make this happen. If this, if this is something that is valuable to you, we'll make it happen. And we'll do everything in our power to make this good for you. And so, I think going forward now, hopefully into more of a normal spring season, I want to take part of that with me.
And I want to keep checking in with that guiding question. Like, is, is this joyful for you? Is this joyful for us? And how do we, create something that is, if it's not.
[00:19:28] Luisa: Totally. Yeah. I think that, especially for, it seems like a team like Vortex, which is like, had the success that it's had and like has a structure and like, You all kind of know a formula for success to go through something like this. It feels like, yeah. You kind of had to throw away that, that roadmap that you mentioned and get creative in a new way in terms of finding know successor or whatever that is. Um, that's cool.
So Anna, you, you've mentioned a couple of times that you are captaining from afar, um, and that is because you are abroad in Sweden right now. Can you share a little bit about what you're studying in Sweden?
[00:20:09] Anna Mulhern: Yeah, for sure. So after a very long and, complicated study abroad application process, the program that ended up going, was the women and gender studies, in Europe program through Carleton college.
And we are based currently, in Stockholm, Sweden, and yeah, so we're studying, feminist methodology, queer trans and feminist, theory, as well as like other other subjects where I'm studying critical race theory, like with it from a, like a Swedish within a Swedish context. And it's been, just a really great experience and there are two other people on my program who play ultimate, who both go to Carleton college.
So that has been really fun. And yeah, in Sweden, I've gotten involved outside of my classes with the Stockholm climate strike group. So every Friday we do the Fridays for future climate strike outside the Swedish parliament, with Greta Thunberg and we're currently planning the Stockholm like global climate strike, which has been really good.
[00:21:20] Luisa: do you mind, stating global climate strike and then describing like what it is, what its like main focus is just so that people know what we're no, where we're talking about
[00:21:30] Anna Mulhern: Yeah. So The global climate strike is. climate strikes across the world that are coordinated at the same time to try to movement builds and raise pressure for meaningful, bold climate action. And, there are specific dates throughout the year where there will be global climate strikes and people will organize them in different cities.
And often there's a set of demands associated with them and the upcoming one, the theme is like upward the system and talking about the systemic origins of the climate crisis, rather than focusing on like some like individual responsibility, but rather looking at colonialism capitalism, neoliberalism, and, how these systemic, issues are contributing to the climate crisis and trying to center the experiences and the voices of people who are most strongly experiencing the climate crisis.
[00:22:33] Luisa: That's awesome.
Can you explain, like, what is, what is maybe like day-to-day or week-to-week work look like? Is the organizing, like, are you getting in touch with officials, other organizations? Like what sort of work does does you or your group do.
[00:22:47] Anna Mulhern: Oh gosh. So like organizing is so much behind the scenes messaging it's organizing a climate strike is a lot, like what I imagined putting on a play would be like, you know, you have all of the parts and you have to cast them and, direct them and find all the props. And basically you're in like 15 different group chats. And if you're me, you have to put into Google translate, almost everything that said and all of those group chats. yeah, it's, it's a lot of work, but it's a lot of fun and I've been able to form some really wonderful connections with people so quickly by being within that, that organizing space.
It's just been. Really really wonderful to, find a community with whom I can do climate justice organizing here because I, for me, it was this really, really drastic transition of being completely involved in climate justice, organizing on the ground in Minnesota, and then going across the country and feeling incredibly removed from what is really important work.
And also feeling a little bit guilty for being able to have the privilege to, of course, like my feeling guilty doesn't help anything, but, you know, I'm just, I was, I had the privilege to just fly to another country and, I'm really glad that I'm able to do climate justice organizing.
[00:24:17] Luisa: Cool.
[00:24:18] Tulsa: If people listening want to get involved, is there a, can you give an easy way for people to do
[00:24:23] Luisa: yeah, we can add things to our show
[00:24:25] Tulsa: Yeah.
[00:24:26] Anna Mulhern: cool.
Okay. So if you search Fridays for future, or go to Fridays for future.org, you can see other strikes or you can create your own strike and register it so that other people who live near you can see that you're organizing something and then they can join as well.
[00:24:45] Tulsa: Oh, Cool.
That's awesome. Yeah, we'll put that in the show
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[00:25:38] Tulsa: So you mentioned that you had been doing a bunch of on the groundwork in Minnesota before you left for Sweden, so you're working, on the line three step line, three project. Can you first describe for folks who maybe don't know what that is kind of like what it is and what's going on.
[00:25:53] Anna Mulhern: Absolutely. So line three is a tar sands pipeline, reroute and expansion project. That's being built by Enbridge corporation, which is a corporation based in Canada and Enbridge has an old line three tar sands pipeline that goes through Minnesota and that pipeline is corroding and it's becoming even more prone to spills and leaks.
So Embridge corporation is like, "Hey, this old pipeline is breaking and it's dangerous. So let's make a new pipeline to carry a lot more tar sands and make it through a new route and also double the capacity of the pipeline". So it's really, really harmful and messed up. And, to put a pipeline through a new corridor, involves clear cutting a bunch of forest drilling under rivers, including the headwaters of the Mississippi going through untouch wetlands, wild rice lakes and yeah, uh, like treaty territory violates the rights of indigenous.
And tar sands are the dirtiest form of crude oil in the world. They're really viscous and they're heavy. So when the pipeline spills and leaks, and it will spill all pipelines spill, the crude oil will sink to the bottom of lakes and rivers. And if it were to break at the headwaters of the Mississippi, that would contaminate the entirety of the Mississippi river, and the pollution caused by line three would be equivalent to that caused by 50 coal powered plants, which is more than the entire emissions of the state of Minnesota annually. And so everyone in Minnesota could just turn everything off, and stop polluting for an entire year. And the impact of line three would be greater than that.
And so it's really, really harmful. And I mean, Enbridge is being enabled by the politicians and permitting agencies, which have given them the permits to do this. And Embridge is also paying for the police along the pipeline corridor to arrest and deter, which means brutalize protestors, and not only does line three have this horrible environmental impact. It also leads to increased violence against indigenous community, indigenous communities, especially indigenous girls, women, and two-spirit folks. And that is exactly what we've seen happen with line three. So essentially the stop line three movement is about trying to protect water.
It's about trying to combat the climate crisis, but it's also a movement for indigenous rights and it's a movement against the capitalist extractive industries that will do unimaginable harm to people in the post. Just so that a few people at the top can continue to make unimaginable amounts of money and that's wrong.
[00:28:44] Tulsa: Well said. So, I mean, that's, that's a great summary and I'm wondering if now you can talk about where line three is at now, because I think it was, so we're recording this on October 11th and I think that it was supposed to what's the term. start working on the eighth. So just a couple of days ago.
[00:29:05] Anna Mulhern: Yeah. Yeah So the construction of the pipeline has been completed. I think it was completed around if not a little bit before October 1st. Yeah. So oil is now flowing through line three, which is terrible. However, it was delayed for, many years due to the resistance in Minnesota. So it was supposed to be completed years ago. It was delayed four years in Minnesota because of resistance largely led by indigenous communities.
[00:29:37] Tulsa: It feels like those, that four year delay is a success on part of, of the resistance to the pipeline. So can you talk a little bit about what kind of actions slowed that whole process down?
[00:29:50] Anna Mulhern: So actions that slowed it down, where everything from legal challenges within the permitting process, there've been many, many court cases and there continued to be court cases against line three, which have delayed the process, as well as direct action taken by people during the pipeline construction process.
There were many legal challenges to the pipeline throughout those years. I don't know if Enbridge kind of expected people to just not notice or be okay with it, but there was a really, really strong resistance front within the permitting process. And, there were folks who have been going to every single permitting hearing since the pipeline was originally proposed. And then who have taken direct action, and put their bodies on the line to try to stop construction during that phase. and many of those people are still now working within spaces to try to, to stop it, even though oil is flowing.
[00:31:05] Tulsa: I'm wondering if you can, maybe try and define direct action a bit and then give a couple of examples of what it looks.
[00:31:11] Anna Mulhern: Absolutely. So within the sort of framework of trying to build the movement or trying to resist something, you can take action that is through pre-established, power frameworks, for example, appealing through a legal agency or filing a complaint through an official process.
And then you can also take direct action, which is literally putting something or yourself in between the thing that you want to stop. So an example of direct action might be like locking your body to a machine that is drilling under a river, or something like barricading adore or quite literally. Rather than asking for something to be stopped, you are physically stopping it.
[00:32:09] Tulsa: Yeah.
[00:32:09] Anna Mulhern: And a lot of people have been arrested for taking directly.
[00:32:14] Luisa: yeah. So with that being said with the completion of it, and now we know that oil is flowing, what is the, what's the say of the project now? Like what work can be done and should be done.
[00:32:26] Anna Mulhern: So just because the pipeline has been completed and oil is flowing, does not mean that it cannot be stopped. I mean, we saw that with Keystone, how that was stopped and, even after the pipeline is constructed, community is living on the front lines are still experiencing incredible amounts of harm. And so there's absolutely still frontlines resistance to it. And so are encouraged to support those front lines communities, and organizers who are doing that really important work. There have also been hundreds, I think over 900 people who have been arrested and charged for protesting the pipeline, and many of those cases have yet to sort of go through the court system.
And so a lot of the organizing also that's happening now is on the legal front. And I am working with a group of people doing freedom of information, act requests to try to support a water protector defendant's legal cases, because the state violence continues through the carceral system. There is a link that is tinyurl.com/ResistLine3, and the resist and the line are capitalized.
It's like a continually maintained. We like to call it like a living. It's a living document of ways to get more involved in the movement to stop line three or who to follow on social media, support the front lines, defendant support, solidarity actions cause there are still people including Biden who with a stroke of the pen can stop it.
[00:34:11] Luisa: Yeah. And I know that I'm in an earlier communication with us, you really wanted to highlight some of the folks that you've been working with or some of the groups that you've been working with, particularly indigenous folk. Um, is there anyone that you'd like to mention or maybe share a little bit about somebody that you've worked with that has been impactful?
[00:34:30] Anna Mulhern: Yeah, for sure. I mean just some of the frontlines groups are Giniw collective, camp migizi, red lake treaty camp, rise coalition, honor the earth, indigenous environmental network, a Newman camp, gitchigumi Scouts and those are all folks to follow and support. For safety reasons, I'm not going to discuss any individual people. Um, but I spent the summer living at an indigenous led resistance camp, um, along the pipeline corridor and the, state surveillance, the police surveillance, and brutality there was constant helicopters would fly overhead every day.
There was many days where police were blockading the entrance to the camp. And the, the police eventually lost a lawsuit. They were sued for that and also the lawsuit. But the, the police brutality in response to protesters, especially in response to indigenous and black and brown protesters has been, terrible. I was doing climate justice organizing at St. Olaf. Um, we were doing a lot of fossil fuels. And there's a really strong stoplight through movement in Northfield. So I went to a nonviolent direct action training, learned a lot more about stop line three, and kind of just got more involved from there.
And so this past summer I was doing things like organizing protests, scouting, the pipeline corridor I worked with Minnesota 350 on their pipeline resistance team would do, I would write weekly movement updates, do work with the resist line three media collective, uh, nonviolent direct action workshops are really great way for people to get involved.
And yeah, and then lived at an indigenous led resistance.
[00:36:18] Luisa: So I you've, you've mentioned a bunch of the different actions being taken. A lot of the ways in which this resistance has both evolved and is continuing. So, and you've already mentioned this a couple of times is that there are things that's like people who aren't involved in this resistance might not know about such as the safety piece or how to resist or protest safely and properly for lack of a better word. So for people who aren't in, aren't there for people who are like, maybe learning about this for the first time you've mentioned a couple actions, but what are things that, that people can slash should be doing in order to either raise awareness, to support the people who are taking direct action?
Things like that. Do you have like any suggestions or things that we can ask people to, to consider.
[00:37:09] Anna Mulhern: absolutely. I mean, if you are someone who has generational wealth, redistribute, it, donate that and donate it to people who are doing the organizing on the ground, on the front lines. And then if getting involved in physical protesting or direct action is something that is feasible for you.
Try to go to a direct action training. Forming an affinity group is something that we talk a lot about, which is a group of two to usually like 15 people who you go to actions or protests with who you can take care of each other sort of keep track of each other. And it's, it leads to like a less hierarchical leadership structure and something that I've talked to teammates about is how the skills that you learn within a sports team are the same skills that you would use to protest something Or take direct action, that communication, that making space for someone else checking in with each other, having common goals having set plays are all things that are incredibly transferrable to being involved physically in a movement. Other things to do are, you know, whatever skills you have are things that can absolutely benefit any movement.
If you're an artist, you know, we need art to inspire people and to send a message and, you know, art is so, so crucial to movements for social justice. if you have, I don't know, like everyone has a skill that, they can contribute and that can be meaningful to a movement in some way. And so if you can.
You know, reach out with that skill that can always be helpful. And you know, of course contacting your representatives and things can be important, but also realizing that those, those power structures are not like the end all sale. And that we need to sort of move beyond just appealing to people who have power within the existing systems, and really amplify the voices of people who are on the front lines, who are the most harmed by the system.
So, supporting frontlines, Oregon.
[00:39:37] Tulsa: Yeah, thanks for sharing all that. what you, what you said at the end of like amplifying those who are most harmed remind me of something that Koons has said in the episode that we talked with her and yeah, I think that's a great, consistent mission to follow.
[00:39:51] Anna Mulhern: And one thing that I've been thinking about too, you know, like how this relates to this is sort of off topic of your question, but how this relates to Frisbee is when we go to tournaments and things. And we have all of these fields, who was that land stolen fun, you know? And, whose dispossession are we relying on to have our tournament on these fields?
And I think that one thing that the ultimate community I would really like to see happen is for us to, land, land acknowledgements are always like a step, but, you know, like do land acknowledgements at tournaments and then donate to local whoever is doing work in that, like donate to indigenous folks in that area who are doing work and support like land back movements things like.
[00:40:41] Luisa: Yeah, that's I think that's a super actionable thing for Frisbee teams and like you're already playing Frisbee together, you know, it's, it's, it's a actual thing that you can do as a team. I remember a few years ago, the first time I really started learning about land acknowledgements and land rent and land back things was, yeah, there was, it wasn't even a person on my team.
It was someone else playing on another team at the same. I believe it was elite select the elite select club tournament. And she had circulated an email around the women's teams saying that here I did this research. These are the indigenous peoples in this area. This is essentially the land we'll be playing on.
Please contribute like. And she, she in the email used the term rent for it. But she was like, you know, please contribute to this and I will send it to the group that they had set up, the, the, whatever, the, the payment method that they had set up for, for this purpose. But, there was someone who had done the research and just circulated it to the women's teams who are going to be at that tournament.
And folks contributed to that. So yeah, this is like a super actionable thing that teams can do. Now you can like bake it into your, your processes and you can, it's something that you can also encourage other teams to do with just like this like sort of simple email
so all this to say, yeah, it's like definitely a super actual thing. I've been on teams that, that have done it before. And it's, it's totally doable.
And now share the air will take a break to talk about today's teachable moment brought to you by our sponsor, the Centre for applied neuroscience. We asked our audience what neuroscience you wanted to explained And we have Dr. Wintink here to answer your questions.
[00:42:29] Tulsa: Today's question is how can I develop spacial awareness?
[00:42:33] Mandy: so spatial awareness is a really interesting skill from the brain's perspective. So, generally speaking, there's, there's three components to it. So one is, the visual. So being able to see and recognize where things are. So recognizing where people are on the field is a spatial skill. Knowing a me versus these other people, the Frisbee versus the other team or so forth and so on.
So the visuals is one aspect of it. The second aspect is where my body is in space, so that. requires the back part of the brain, the visual cortex the, where I am in space requires the parietal cortex with top of the brain. So it's understanding my body compared to other things. And then there's also the hippocampus, which is an area often associated with memory, but it's usually like spatial memory.
So knowing where things are contextually, so, you know, triangulating and knowing like how all these things piece together is another element. So. Three pieces are largely at play. The brain is very, very plastic, the brain and not just means the brain changes all the time. So we might come with a certain level of.
Skill with all of those pieces working together, but it's definitely something that can be trained. And we train it by just using it. So one, you know, one way to train it is mental imagery. A lot of athletes will visualize themselves playing a game and a trick for that is to really make an elaborate visualization. So seeing all the different things at play that people like, if you're imagining yourself on the line, imagining your teammates run all the way up for the pull play, position yourself and so forth. So that just going through that in your mind is recruiting the visual part of the cortex that allows you to see it.
And then you're also sort of practicing. you can also have your body in space. So you are recruiting parts of the parietal cortex to see your body moving through space. And then basically just practicing that from the brain's perspective. So that will develop spacial awareness, just doing it mentally.
And then obviously playing the game at the level that you would play, like practicing at the level that you would in a game as well. So having as many moving parts as you can but as you know, like a lot of times what we do is we develop drills that break things down into small pieces.
So you're gaining part of it, some of the skills. And then when you start doing it in like flow play or start having other people in there, then what we're doing is building that spatial portion of it as well. and there's lots of video games that can train that There's even specific games like you know, systems that allow you to understand how things moving in space to widen your periphery as well. So there's a range that everyone, every brain can develop, but it's definitely a skill that can be and should be developed for Frisbee.
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[00:45:44] Tulsa: So you're in Sweden now and you have gotten to play with Val Tyria and you attended the Swedish national championship. Can you talk about how you found the team? What it's like playing for them? Yeah.
[00:46:05] Anna Mulhern: Absolutely. So I've had the experience before of playing on an ultimate team, in a different country, in a different community. And when I was packing to go to Sweden, the night before I left, I was trying to sort of take some things out of my suitcase. I thought I was packing too much. And I sort of had my cleats in the pile of like, I haven't discarded this yet, but like, I'm not sure that I need them. And I was like, okay. How do I decide this? So I just like DMD on, I just sent a DM on Facebook to Stockholm ultimate Frisbee club. And I was like, Hey, I play Frisbee. Can I play Frisbee with you? And they responded immediately and were so wonderful and helpful.
And needless to say, the cleats did go in the suitcase. And about 48 hours after I landed in Stockholm, I was at a Frisbee practice, with, Alex and Emma, who are two other members of my group, Alex Ravel and Emma Chen, both wonderful. And so we, we went to practices with them. they very kindly spoke in English so that there was not a language barrier for us, and we're just immediately so welcoming and, Learned a lot from playing with them.
I think every time that you play with a new team, you learn a lot. But, I already, I have a list of drills that I'm going to take back to Vortex. Um, Valkyria, if you ever watch any of our games and something's familiar, that was you. So yeah. And then, and then they invited, invited us to the Swedish nationals and went to that.
And it was the first tournament that I had played in since COVID, and it was just the absolute best weekend we did when I remember there was a, there was a point, there was a time in the finals game when we were down 4 to 7 and the other team was just making these incredible plays and we weren't really connecting that well, and I'm on the line and. I mean, I think this is one that one of the moments when, like something that I've, I've learned over the past couple of years, we're like down in the finals game, it's not looking too great. And I'm on the line. And I just remember I closed my eyes, like took a deep breath, just sort of like listened to the sounds of a tournament, an up call from two fields away, or, you know, someone cheering something unintelligible, but, like, felt so grateful to be there even though, maybe in the past I would have felt really stressed because we were down.
But I was just so excited to be there. And then we scored 11 points in a row and won 15-7
[00:48:51] Luisa: Oh, my gosh.
[00:48:54] Anna Mulhern: So
[00:48:56] Luisa: So even incredibly cinematic moment, you just had internally.
[00:49:00] Anna Mulhern: it was crazy. It was crazy. Yeah. We, we played in 11 cause zero game after that.
[00:49:09] Luisa: Wow. That's incredible.
[00:49:11] Anna Mulhern: Yeah.
[00:49:12] Luisa: And your, you said your first tournament
[00:49:15] Anna Mulhern: It was my first tournament that I hadn't played since, since COVID it was amazing. It was
so
[00:49:23] Luisa: amazing. Well, congratulations
[00:49:24] Anna Mulhern: Thank you. And, and they qualified for the world's tournament from
that. So I hope they hit me up
[00:49:40] Luisa: so you're going into your last year, at St. Olaf and with, with Vortex. Sorry. That's a freaky concept. But I would love to know what thoughts you maybe have, going into that last year and what you are excited to leave with the team, what you hope to leave with the team in, in your last year and Tulsa, like how that compares to how you left, Vortex your senior year.
[00:50:05] Anna Mulhern: Yeah, Tulsa, do you want to start or should I start?
[00:50:08] Tulsa: I can start.
Um, Yeah. Yeah, I'll start. I think, I mean, I think there were kind of like two simultaneous goals as a captain. And one of them was to the, all the on-field stuff, we wanted it to go to nationals. We wanted to perform our best. We wanted it to feel like we were like peaking and everyone was playing well and had felt like they had improved.
And then there was a second goal of like, we want to make sure that when we graduate, the program continues and the people in the program get to have as great of an experience as they did this year. And so we want to set, set the program up for success. And I think that's a hard thing to think about because the on-field stuff is like way more fun in the day to day than it, than it is to think about like how you leave the program when you're gone.
So I think some of that was going about. Weaving things into the on-field stuff, lessons that would continue, kind of like ideas and drills and things that people would latch onto, remember, enjoy and like keep going, keep those things living. And then some of it was also just trying to, build leaders within other people so that when, when we graduated as seniors, there were other people who are ready to step up as leaders.
And then there was always the logistical piece of making sure the processes, the way we did things were passed on so that the next year's captains wouldn't have to scramble and start from nothing. And they could build off of the knowledge that we had built off of that the previous captains had built off of. So kind of just like making it as smooth of a transition as possible.
[00:51:47] Anna Mulhern: Yeah, everything that you said really resonates with what I'm thinking about and what, seniors on Vortex are thinking about. I think one of the challenges sometimes of being a leader of something that you care so much about is that you try to do everything and you try to, you know, you say, okay, well, like I've done this before.
And I think I figured it out. And so just like, so it goes smoothly. Like I'm going to do it. Or, or maybe like, I don't want to make anyone else on the team, like do this logistical work because it's the least fun part. And I want everyone to love it. And so I will do all the logistical work, that, that makes the, this, this team happened so that everyone else can just like, enjoy the fun parts.
And I think something that I'm going through with all of the student groups that I will be leading as I graduate, is really passing on that leadership to. The younger folks, the up and comings as, as I'm graduating and of course, with COVID, it's a little bit trickier because we didn't have all of that time with some of the younger players to, help show them how to do things and how to everything from the difficult things to talk as much about like the mental toughness, things that we want to work on and pass on.
But I just keep on being so grateful for. And so inspired by my other teammates and the younger members of the team who just step up like every day in ways that they didn't have to, or that, I wasn't expecting. And I think that, if there's one thing that sort of stays with the team, after I graduate, is that emphasis on joy and emphasis on, prioritizing keeping that like joy of the game there and that joy of each other and that joy of being in that community and of being involved in things that go beyond just like on the fields.
And yeah, I mean, it's scary to graduate. And I think the, the really lucky, really lucky thing is that, like I learned all these lessons with still. A semester left to be with the team and to try to, passed some of the things on and to play and to play to, and to, you know, give an example by playing on the fields.
What that, like positive intensity, positensity was that you Tulsa
[00:54:25] Tulsa: I don't think that was me, but it was, during my time.
[00:54:28] Anna Mulhern: yeah.
[00:54:29] Tulsa: It was one of the teams I was on one of the iterations.
[00:54:31] Anna Mulhern: that positive intensity. Just for like being an example of that. And also just by like having fun myself, that's also a really, really great example and, yeah, I, I have all just these things I'm so excited to do when I'm, when I'm back with the team, including playing with my little sister.
D3 women's teams watch out our, our communication is telepathic. I swear. Um, zig-zagging down the fields. And and then also I think accepting that what your vision for the team is when you were there doesn't necessarily mean that like it's going to stay that way because, and I think that's a really important thing too, is, you know, helping give other players, the tools or not necessarily even give them the tools, but help them realize that their own agency within the team and that, you know, the structures that exist and the way that things work, can be changed.
And hopefully were created with a lot of care. And I, I think I was very lucky to come onto a team that really had undergone. Some really careful, development and value and goal setting before me, and was able to sort of not have to change that much of that, but rather just like carry it forward.
And I hope to carry that forward to the other members of the team, but then also, help them realize that like, what we do is because of hopefully a set of goals that we set together and that if those goals ever change for you all collectively, like we support you in intentionally doing that just as long as it's, as long as it's intentional in that it's, it's reflective of, of what you want to create together.
[00:56:19] Luisa: I think that's a really awesome lesson and like, I can def- I know that I could even learn from that. So that's, that's amazing. Thank you for wording it like that.
To sum it up Is there any message you want to share with the ultimate community?
[00:56:34] Anna Mulhern: I think I've like, sort of talked about this before, but just the idea that like the
systems and the norms that we have with an ultimate ultimate just within society, like they're not inevitable, they're constructed, by people and these systems also have a set of values and a set of goals attached and hopefully a lot of those values and a lot of those schools are productive and supportive.
But the realization that it is created and that you can, then you can also change it. I think is really powerful and, you know, white players, cisgender players, we need to do a lot more listening to support actual systemic changes rather than listening, just to moralize. As good people. I think that's a big, problem.
And that doesn't actually support justice. So essentially, as people as teams, don't be neutral, neutrality doesn't exist. The status quo is one of violence against BiPAP communities of violence against LGBTQ communities. So, have those conversations, on your team, maybe form an affinity group and show up to a nonviolent direct action training, support organizers, and be an accomplice for change and be in solidarity.
[00:58:00] Luisa: Awesome. Thank you. Okay. Game time.
[00:58:04] Tulsa: Game time.
[00:58:05] Anna Mulhern: I love a game.
[00:58:06] Tulsa: So I'll try and explain it as best as possible. we're probably gonna iron out the rules a little bit still as we play. So it's a family feud style. We need a name, Lou
[00:58:18] Luisa: I know I was
thinking about that.
[00:58:20] Tulsa: viewed
[00:58:21] Luisa: Well, there you go.
[00:58:22] Tulsa: Frisbee. Cute. Okay. We're going to play Frisbee feud, which is based off of a family feud. So we have surveyed our audience, a bunch of questions and we have tallied up their results of what they submitted of their answers.
So we'll ask you a question and then we'll tell you how many top answers there were and that's how many guesses you'll get.
[00:58:44] Anna Mulhern: Okay,
[00:58:45] Tulsa: So you're going to try and get, for example, the five top answers for a
[00:58:49] Anna Mulhern: Oh my gosh. Okay.
[00:58:52] Tulsa: top answer like answered most would be five points, 4, 3, 2, 1 like that.
If you guess anything that somebody else said, but it's not in the top five. It's still
[00:59:02] Anna Mulhern: Okay, let's go.
[00:59:04] Tulsa: Okay. If we come up with any, if we hit any other snafoos, we'll make up a
[00:59:08] Anna Mulhern: Sounds good. I love this.
[00:59:11] Tulsa: okay. So the first question Name something you'd find in an ultimate player's closet
[00:59:16] Anna Mulhern: I get five guesses
[00:59:18] Tulsa: there. This
[00:59:18] Anna Mulhern: five. Okay. Um, discs,
[00:59:23] Tulsa: That's one point not in the top five at one point.
[00:59:27] Anna Mulhern: the stack of cones. Stack of field cones.
[00:59:30] Tulsa: Nope.
[00:59:31] Anna Mulhern: Where am I other captains that, um, that, um, oh, those, those like Patagonia duffel bags that everyone has
[00:59:40] Tulsa: ding. Ding. Yes. That's four points. That's the second most
[00:59:45] Anna Mulhern: Oh my gosh. Okay. A closet, um, cleats.
[00:59:49] Tulsa: Yes. Number one. That's five
[00:59:52] Anna Mulhern: Yay.
[00:59:53] Tulsa: How many guesses? more
[00:59:54] Anna Mulhern: One more guys. Oh my gosh. Um, the foam roller.
[01:00:01] Tulsa: Yes. Nice. That's the fifth answer. So that's another one point.
[01:00:07] Luisa: Awesome.
[01:00:07] Anna Mulhern: Yay.
[01:00:08] Tulsa: The other two were jerseys and turf pellets.
[01:00:15] Anna Mulhern: Uh,
[01:00:15] Tulsa: Yeah.
[01:00:17] Luisa: Okay. So your second question is name a sports hydration drink that ultimate player's drink and there are four, four answers technically.
[01:00:26] Anna Mulhern: okay. Um, I'm a big water fan. So this is going to be difficult. Um, data Gatorade.
[01:00:35] Luisa: Yes, that was the second, the second most guest question or answer.
[01:00:41] Anna Mulhern: Um, I really don't drink energy drinks. Um, what's is there like, is Mio, is that a thing? Is that a thing you squirt into your mouth?
[01:00:51] Luisa: Oh, yes, that is one. Nobody said that one, but yes, you are correct. That is
[01:00:55] Anna Mulhern: My teammate, my teammate Carol will walk around with one of those and like squirt it in everyone's mouth. Um, I really like, I don't know what high, what energy drinks exist in the world. I should have, should I Google sports hydration drinks and just say them
[01:01:12] Tulsa: I'll give you a hint for the first one. It's in one of those like little tube things. I don't know if you seen them. Yeah. Like a canister.
[01:01:22] Anna Mulhern: Oh, like red
[01:01:24] Tulsa: Somebody did give that answer. So that's a
[01:01:26] Anna Mulhern: Are you at a point for that? Um,
[01:01:29] Tulsa: It's um, tablets.
[01:01:32] Anna Mulhern: this is just making me more confused.
[01:01:34] Luisa: I know I have heard some people have never heard of some of these things before,
[01:01:39] Anna Mulhern: It's like a tablet that you put into a water bottle.
[01:01:41] Luisa: yeah.
[01:01:42] Anna Mulhern: There's no way I'm going to get this.
[01:01:45] Tulsa: Okay. You still have another guest, so I'll give you a clue for a different answer. Something that you give to babies and toddlers. If they're dehydrated.
[01:01:54] Anna Mulhern: Like a jui-,
[01:01:54] Luisa: hung over adults.
[01:01:56] Anna Mulhern: a juice of some sort
[01:01:57] Tulsa: It's a specific brand.
[01:02:00] Anna Mulhern: Oh, pedialyte?
[01:02:02] Tulsa: Yeah. Pedialyte. Nice.
[01:02:05] Luisa: Cool. And I think that's three points
[01:02:07] Tulsa: Yep.
[01:02:09] Luisa: Cool. Okay. Last question.
[01:02:11] Anna Mulhern: I'm ready. I'm going to do better on this one.
[01:02:13] Tulsa: okay. Name something a Frisbee player would have a tattoo of?
[01:02:17] Anna Mulhern: Oh my gosh. Maybe I won't do better on this one. Um, okay. Their team logo
[01:02:22] Tulsa: ding, ding, ding. Oh, we should tell you that there are two top answers for this.
[01:02:28] Anna Mulhern: top answers. Okay.
[01:02:29] Tulsa: kind of similar if that's, if that's,
[01:02:32] Anna Mulhern: of similar the CIMA, um, similar to team logo.
[01:02:36] Tulsa: Yeah. It's like more specific version of that. This is kind of a trick question. I feel bad.
[01:02:43] Luisa: a trick question. I think
[01:02:44] Anna Mulhern: There team name,
[01:02:47] Tulsa: So, yes, somebody did say that that would be one point. The top answer is like a specific team, usually people's first team or most impactful
[01:02:57] Anna Mulhern: the college team logo,
[01:03:00] Tulsa: Yeah. Yeah. Those were the top two answers. college team logo, and team logo.
[01:03:06] Anna Mulhern: Emma Chin just a Syzygy tattoo,
[01:03:09] Tulsa: Oh, Yep. See, yeah.
[01:03:13] Anna Mulhern: Um, yay. Did I.
[01:03:16] Tulsa: Thank you for playing.
[01:03:19] Luisa: Yeah, we're still hearing out the rules,
[01:03:21] Tulsa: So we'll keep
[01:03:21] Luisa: points.
[01:03:22] Tulsa: see how our guests do
[01:03:25] Anna Mulhern: Exciting.
[01:03:27] Tulsa: seasoned long. Yeah.
[01:03:30] Luisa: Ana, thank you so much for joining us on share the air.
[01:03:33] Anna Mulhern: Thank you so much for having me. This has been really fun.
[01:03:37] Tulsa: Yeah. And I'll say it's really fun to hear another generation of cortex players and, and to reflect back from four years ago when I was a senior and now you're a senior and like you've had a completely different college experience and I feel for you. And also it sounds like the team is really lucky to have you and yeah. I just feel proud of like what you all are doing. Yeah.
[01:03:59] Anna Mulhern: That's so kind and yeah, we're so. Grateful for what you all sort of like built to pass onto us. And for all of the things that we've gotten to experience and hopefully pass on to whoever is next,
[01:04:17] Tulsa: Yeah, keep it going.
[01:04:19] Anna Mulhern: keep it going.
[01:04:20] Tulsa: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, TEEX.
[01:04:24] Anna Mulhern: I'll do the VOR. Then you do the TDIs
[01:04:26] Tulsa: Okay.
[01:04:29] Anna Mulhern: V O R
[01:04:31] Tulsa: T E X.
[01:04:34] Luisa: Oh, my gosh. That was adorable.
[01:04:37] Anna Mulhern: a good
[01:04:38] Tulsa: Uh,
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